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	<title>Comments on: The Trader&#8217;s Guide to the Uptick Rule</title>
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	<description>It may be cheap, but is it a Goode value?</description>
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		<title>By: Goode Value Investing &#38; Trading Blog &#187; My comments to the SEC regarding the uptick rule</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator>Goode Value Investing &#38; Trading Blog &#187; My comments to the SEC regarding the uptick rule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For example, I believe the SEC could better spend its time changing rules to make pump and dump stock manipulation more difficult. One way to do this would be to change margin rules to make it easier for short sellers to sell short low-priced stocks. Specifically, I recommend that the SEC force the NYSE to change rule 431(c)2, which requires that short sellers have $2.50 in cash to short sell one share of stock priced under $5, no matter how low-priced the stock is. I believe this rule explains why most pump and dumps are perpetrated upon penny stocks. One recent example, Uomo Media (OTC: UOMO), saw multiple stock touts drive the price up from 20 cents to $1.00. Over $30m in trades took place at elevated prices. Restricting such manipulation would yield clear benefits, unlike reinstating the uptick rule. All comments regarding the uptick rule Submit a comment to the SEC regarding the uptick rule Proposed uptick rule (pdf) How the uptick rule abetted bear raids The trader&#8217;s guide to the uptick rule [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For example, I believe the SEC could better spend its time changing rules to make pump and dump stock manipulation more difficult. One way to do this would be to change margin rules to make it easier for short sellers to sell short low-priced stocks. Specifically, I recommend that the SEC force the NYSE to change rule 431(c)2, which requires that short sellers have $2.50 in cash to short sell one share of stock priced under $5, no matter how low-priced the stock is. I believe this rule explains why most pump and dumps are perpetrated upon penny stocks. One recent example, Uomo Media (OTC: UOMO), saw multiple stock touts drive the price up from 20 cents to $1.00. Over $30m in trades took place at elevated prices. Restricting such manipulation would yield clear benefits, unlike reinstating the uptick rule. All comments regarding the uptick rule Submit a comment to the SEC regarding the uptick rule Proposed uptick rule (pdf) How the uptick rule abetted bear raids The trader&#8217;s guide to the uptick rule [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ikkyu2</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>ikkyu2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post.  Your analysis was thorough and informative, best I&#039;ve read on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post.  Your analysis was thorough and informative, best I&#8217;ve read on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Goode Value Investing &#38; Trading Blog &#187; How the uptick rule abbetted illegal bear raids</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator>Goode Value Investing &#38; Trading Blog &#187; How the uptick rule abbetted illegal bear raids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Further Reading SEC Press Release regarding Beardsley judgment SEC Complaint against Beardsley &amp; Lindenberg Final Judgment against Lindenberg Final Judgment against Beardsley The Trader&#8217;s Guide to the Uptick Rule [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Further Reading SEC Press Release regarding Beardsley judgment SEC Complaint against Beardsley &amp; Lindenberg Final Judgment against Lindenberg Final Judgment against Beardsley The Trader&#8217;s Guide to the Uptick Rule [...]</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1099</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark (StockPursuit) - yes, with decimals the uptick rule is less of a distortion than it was with 1/16 fractions, and with 1/16 dollar fractions it was less of a problem than with1/8 dollar fractions. SEC Commissioner Parades has indicated (in the first roundtable discussion of this year), however, that the SEC could consider instituting a multi-penny uptick rule, such that a 5 cent or 10 cent stock price increase would be necessary before short selling could occur. 

Regardless of what the uptick rule looks like when it is reinstated, it would make for a bad rule. If it is strict enough to prevent &#039;bear raids&#039; then it would prohibit much good short selling too. If it is too weak to prevent bear raids then it will be pointless while still hampering legitimate short selling. That is why I (along with the major stock exchanges) support a type of circuit breaker. I believe that an individual stock circuit breaker that halts a stock completely would be good because I believe that most so-called bear raids are actually caused by panic selling or stop-loss selling by long investors.

Now, as to why the uptick rule wouldn&#039;t prevent short sellers from driving a stock price down, imagine a stock where there are as many short sellers as long sellers. Without the uptick rule the short sellers could drive the stock price down quickly. But even with the uptick rule, the short sellers would show huge size on the offer, leading long sellers to hit the and causing market makers to lower their bids and offers. In such a situation the stock price decline would be only slightly slower than without the uptick rule; the main difference is the profits that would accrue to short sellers accrue to long sellers instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark (StockPursuit) &#8211; yes, with decimals the uptick rule is less of a distortion than it was with 1/16 fractions, and with 1/16 dollar fractions it was less of a problem than with1/8 dollar fractions. SEC Commissioner Parades has indicated (in the first roundtable discussion of this year), however, that the SEC could consider instituting a multi-penny uptick rule, such that a 5 cent or 10 cent stock price increase would be necessary before short selling could occur. </p>
<p>Regardless of what the uptick rule looks like when it is reinstated, it would make for a bad rule. If it is strict enough to prevent &#8216;bear raids&#8217; then it would prohibit much good short selling too. If it is too weak to prevent bear raids then it will be pointless while still hampering legitimate short selling. That is why I (along with the major stock exchanges) support a type of circuit breaker. I believe that an individual stock circuit breaker that halts a stock completely would be good because I believe that most so-called bear raids are actually caused by panic selling or stop-loss selling by long investors.</p>
<p>Now, as to why the uptick rule wouldn&#8217;t prevent short sellers from driving a stock price down, imagine a stock where there are as many short sellers as long sellers. Without the uptick rule the short sellers could drive the stock price down quickly. But even with the uptick rule, the short sellers would show huge size on the offer, leading long sellers to hit the and causing market makers to lower their bids and offers. In such a situation the stock price decline would be only slightly slower than without the uptick rule; the main difference is the profits that would accrue to short sellers accrue to long sellers instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Stock Pursuit</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1098</link>
		<dc:creator>Stock Pursuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it just as simple, rather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it just as simple, rather</p>
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		<title>By: Stock Pursuit</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1097</link>
		<dc:creator>Stock Pursuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t just as simple as short selling isn&#039;t a problem now because stocks trade on decimals vs fractions when it was a problem. From my understanding with fractions it really mattered and the uptick rule was important then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t just as simple as short selling isn&#8217;t a problem now because stocks trade on decimals vs fractions when it was a problem. From my understanding with fractions it really mattered and the uptick rule was important then.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8230; &#171; Italianinvestor&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1094</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8230; &#171; Italianinvestor&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Goode, alias Everydayinvestor (sullo short selling e uptick rule) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Michael Goode, alias Everydayinvestor (sullo short selling e uptick rule) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: InvestorsLive</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1092</link>
		<dc:creator>InvestorsLive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 15:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great post as always!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great post as always!</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 15:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Troy. There were exemptions for market makers and options market makers in the old uptick / upbid rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Troy. There were exemptions for market makers and options market makers in the old uptick / upbid rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2009/05/03/the-traders-guide-to-the-uptick-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well written. As a former market maker I can tell you the uptick rule does not apply to everyone. Like all rules/rule changes the SEC, FINRA and the exchanges make, they only REALLY apply to the guys on the outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well written. As a former market maker I can tell you the uptick rule does not apply to everyone. Like all rules/rule changes the SEC, FINRA and the exchanges make, they only REALLY apply to the guys on the outside.</p>
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