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	<title>Comments on: Run DMC (aka, Run Away from Document Security Systems)</title>
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	<description>It may be cheap, but is it a Goode value?</description>
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		<title>By: Goode Value Investing Blog &#187; Document Security Systems Getting Desparate for Cash</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2007/08/run-dmc-aka-run-away-from-document-security-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>Goode Value Investing Blog &#187; Document Security Systems Getting Desparate for Cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I last wrote about Document Security Systems, I was decidedly negative. The stock price has since fallen by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2007/08/run-dmc-aka-run-away-from-document-security-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip sent me the following in an email (to which he got my canned response saying that I do not discuss individual stocks in emails):

&gt; In regardes to DMC.
&gt; Your research maybe correct. A couple of questions I have, where have you &gt;seen their product? Do you know the pricipal behind the produt and how it  &gt;actually  works?

My response is as follows:

Yes, I have seen the &#039;product&#039;--at least I have seen hundred dollar bills, which supposedly use the same technology as the product (this is the case that invalidated the company&#039;s patents in the US: http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/03/31/0001167687-05-000022/Section2.asp

I have read the patents and understand the principles behind the products--simply put, watermarks in the document create moire patterns when it is scanned. As far as the services and products the company actually sells, they are legitimate and probably useful. The only problem is that if the company loses its European patent lawsuits it will have no patent protection whatsoever and anyone will be able to sell identical products and no one will pay licensing fees.

See the relevant patents at the USPO:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&amp;r=69&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;d=PTXT&amp;p=1&amp;p=2&amp;S1=5,018,767&amp;OS=5,018,767&amp;RS=5,018,767
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&amp;r=47&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;d=PTXT&amp;p=1&amp;p=1&amp;S1=5,193,853&amp;OS=5,193,853&amp;RS=5,193,853</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip sent me the following in an email (to which he got my canned response saying that I do not discuss individual stocks in emails):</p>
<p>> In regardes to DMC.<br />
> Your research maybe correct. A couple of questions I have, where have you >seen their product? Do you know the pricipal behind the produt and how it  >actually  works?</p>
<p>My response is as follows:</p>
<p>Yes, I have seen the &#8216;product&#8217;&#8211;at least I have seen hundred dollar bills, which supposedly use the same technology as the product (this is the case that invalidated the company&#8217;s patents in the US: <a href="http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/03/31/0001167687-05-000022/Section2.asp" rel="nofollow">http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/03/31/0001167687-05-000022/Section2.asp</a></p>
<p>I have read the patents and understand the principles behind the products&#8211;simply put, watermarks in the document create moire patterns when it is scanned. As far as the services and products the company actually sells, they are legitimate and probably useful. The only problem is that if the company loses its European patent lawsuits it will have no patent protection whatsoever and anyone will be able to sell identical products and no one will pay licensing fees.</p>
<p>See the relevant patents at the USPO:<br />
<a href="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&#038;Sect2=HITOFF&#038;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&#038;r=69&#038;f=G&#038;l=50&#038;d=PTXT&#038;p=1&#038;p=2&#038;S1=5,018,767&#038;OS=5,018,767&#038;RS=5,018,767" rel="nofollow">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&#038;Sect2=HITOFF&#038;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&#038;r=69&#038;f=G&#038;l=50&#038;d=PTXT&#038;p=1&#038;p=2&#038;S1=5,018,767&#038;OS=5,018,767&#038;RS=5,018,767</a><br />
<a href="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&#038;Sect2=HITOFF&#038;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&#038;r=47&#038;f=G&#038;l=50&#038;d=PTXT&#038;p=1&#038;p=1&#038;S1=5,193,853&#038;OS=5,193,853&#038;RS=5,193,853" rel="nofollow">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&#038;Sect2=HITOFF&#038;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&#038;r=47&#038;f=G&#038;l=50&#038;d=PTXT&#038;p=1&#038;p=1&#038;S1=5,193,853&#038;OS=5,193,853&#038;RS=5,193,853</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2007/08/run-dmc-aka-run-away-from-document-security-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

1. As always, I disclose when I am short or long a stock about which I write. You can see right above, at the end of my article, I say that I am short.

2. My only association with Asensio is that I read his website Asensio.com (which, by the way, he claims to no longer be involved with).

3. I saw the press release by CCM and the link to the research was in there. I looked at their other research on their website.

4. To do naked shorting, a person has to have the consent/cooperation of their broker or clearing firm. I use Interactive Brokers (and they have their own clearing firm) and they have never been accused of abetting naked shorting. Anyhow, DMC is not on the Reg SHO threshold list, indicating that it has not likely been a target of naked shorting.

5. I have no clue about impending contracts.

6. To my knowledge there is no EU/DMC settlement nor will there be unless the ECB loses in more countries. I am still trying to get details on DMC&#039;s win in Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>1. As always, I disclose when I am short or long a stock about which I write. You can see right above, at the end of my article, I say that I am short.</p>
<p>2. My only association with Asensio is that I read his website Asensio.com (which, by the way, he claims to no longer be involved with).</p>
<p>3. I saw the press release by CCM and the link to the research was in there. I looked at their other research on their website.</p>
<p>4. To do naked shorting, a person has to have the consent/cooperation of their broker or clearing firm. I use Interactive Brokers (and they have their own clearing firm) and they have never been accused of abetting naked shorting. Anyhow, DMC is not on the Reg SHO threshold list, indicating that it has not likely been a target of naked shorting.</p>
<p>5. I have no clue about impending contracts.</p>
<p>6. To my knowledge there is no EU/DMC settlement nor will there be unless the ECB loses in more countries. I am still trying to get details on DMC&#8217;s win in Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: JOE OLIVERI</title>
		<link>http://www.goodevalue.com/2007/08/run-dmc-aka-run-away-from-document-security-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>JOE OLIVERI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1. ARE YOU PRESENTLY SHORT DMC?&lt;br /&gt;
2. DO YOU WORK FOR OR HAVE ANY TYPE OF ASSOCIATION WITH ASENSIO?&lt;br /&gt;
3. I SAW THE POSTING OF CCM BY DMC, WHERE DID YOU SEE IT?&lt;br /&gt;
4. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE NAKED SHORTS IN DMC (SCARY)?&lt;br /&gt;
5. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ANY IMPENDING CONTRACTS IF ANY?&lt;br /&gt;
6. ANY CURRENT NEWS ON THE DMC / EU SETTLEMENT?&lt;br /&gt;
APPRECIATE YOUR INFORMATIVE REPLY&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. ARE YOU PRESENTLY SHORT DMC?<br />
2. DO YOU WORK FOR OR HAVE ANY TYPE OF ASSOCIATION WITH ASENSIO?<br />
3. I SAW THE POSTING OF CCM BY DMC, WHERE DID YOU SEE IT?<br />
4. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE NAKED SHORTS IN DMC (SCARY)?<br />
5. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ANY IMPENDING CONTRACTS IF ANY?<br />
6. ANY CURRENT NEWS ON THE DMC / EU SETTLEMENT?<br />
APPRECIATE YOUR INFORMATIVE REPLY</p>
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